Curse

twicky_kid · Apr 27, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Mantra of Recovery now has a 20 second recharge. You can get it up to 21 seconds duration and 17 very easily.

Mantra + diversion = permanant shutdown

6 sec duration 5 second recharge under mantra.

sno · Apr 27, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

high fast cast and high dom makes it tough on your inspiration, which will be tough on energy management.

twicky_kid · Apr 27, 2006, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by sno

high fast cast and high dom makes it tough on your inspiration, which will be tough on energy management.

Um....I don't think this is going to tough on e mangement since you just cut all their recharges in half.

At 14 fast cast mor last about 17 seconds. 3 seconds down time is really nothing at all.

sno · Apr 27, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Energy management will be even tougher with halfed recharges, because you're casting all your energy-depleting spells even more often. Without inspiriation you won't have any skills to get energy back...

I like the idea of using Recovery, but I'm not sure it's better than Glyph of Renewal for a dom build (diversion based,) since glyph doesn't have an attribute.

twicky_kid · Apr 27, 2006, 09:23 AM // 09:23

Mor before this buff was already stronger than glyph.

Now its even better. Look around you'll find some builds using that have no trouble with energy.

NinjaKai · Apr 27, 2006, 09:28 AM // 09:28

Correct me if i'm wrong but mesmer in my opinion is the most tactical of professions. And you think people will get spam happy. It simply requires an adjustment in strategy or just not using the skills until required. If anything it's just given us more variety to work with.

Valkyries · Apr 27, 2006, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

Mor before this buff was already stronger than glyph.

Now its even better. Look around you'll find some builds using that have no trouble with energy.

Stronger than Glyph before? I REALLY beg to differ....

In regards to the buff I don't think it will make as big of an impact as you think. Its a nice buff for sure I think, but its not game breaking or anything.

Dragannia · Apr 27, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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It's an awesome buff, but you know, Fast Casting pretty much levels out at around 9. Diversion is also 10 to cast, so E-management will be a bitch (even with 12 second Taps). Also, it's also a hex. With the likes of Expel Hex and such coming along....well, you get the idea.

Terra Xin · Apr 27, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

it's a six second hex... just wait it out, waste of energy and signet recharge trying to remove diversion, and it still gets diverted, lol.

wrastells worry... eh.

sno · Apr 27, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

it's a six second hex... just wait it out, waste of energy and signet recharge trying to remove diversion, and it still gets diverted, lol.

wrastells worry... eh.

Using the "wait it out" mentality is exactly what this build would be great for. Using Diversion and MoR you can keep diversion on a target indefinitely. if you just "wait it out" you'll never cast anything, unless the mesmer gets killed, or someone else on your team removes it (in which case it will just get reapplied, gg.)

The reason I like glyph so much is that you can use it whenever you need it, since it's quick casting, cheap, and fast recharging. If you need two interupts really quick, glyph that. If you want to drain a monk, glyph shame for a quick 30 energy loss (plus whatever energy he used to cast the spell.) Glyph doesn't cost any energy to just idle but MoR will, if you want to keep it up for the majority of the match.

Evilsod · Apr 27, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

MoR would just drain you so fast. You'd be better off just using Blackout/Echo, at least that way you give them about 20-30 seconds worth of complete and total uselessness. Least i think that works, never tried it.

Themis · Apr 27, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

It does work, tried it with 3 Blackout/Echo Mesmers. You can shutdown monks for 27seconds, to be exact (need 4 x 5secs to fully use Echo).

clonek · Apr 27, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I just encounted a diversion spammer in RA and it was incredibly lame. I waited out diversion and as soon as it was gone another popped upa...and another, and another. I was basically diversioned for the entire match.

How is a monk supposed to counter this? Inspired Hex wont help. CoP especially wont help. A monk has to cast or his team will die. It's going to be incredibly annoying in gvg when a team brings two diversion spammers and maybe a BiP necro to pretty much shutdown the other teams monks for the entire match. As far as I know, there isnt any hex removal spells that could keep up with a 6 second recharge diversion.

I guess it's Hex Breaker ftw.

sno · Apr 28, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by clonek

I just encounted a diversion spammer in RA and it was incredibly lame. I waited out diversion and as soon as it was gone another popped upa...and another, and another. I was basically diversioned for the entire match.

How is a monk supposed to counter this? Inspired Hex wont help. CoP especially wont help. A monk has to cast or his team will die. It's going to be incredibly annoying in gvg when a team brings two diversion spammers and maybe a BiP necro to pretty much shutdown the other teams monks for the entire match. As far as I know, there isnt any hex removal spells that could keep up with a 6 second recharge diversion.

I guess it's Hex Breaker ftw.

Solution? have offensive casters bring inspired hex, and kill their mesmer first. If they're casting diversion THAT often, tell that to your mesmer, who can in turn watch for his pattern, and divert diversion. gFg.

Mystic Memory · Apr 28, 2006, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Well by bringing MoR you cant bring distortion.

I think that is a big sacrifice.

Dragannia · Apr 28, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonek

I just encounted a diversion spammer in RA and it was incredibly lame. I waited out diversion and as soon as it was gone another popped upa...and another, and another. I was basically diversioned for the entire match.

How is a monk supposed to counter this? Inspired Hex wont help. CoP especially wont help. A monk has to cast or his team will die. It's going to be incredibly annoying in gvg when a team brings two diversion spammers and maybe a BiP necro to pretty much shutdown the other teams monks for the entire match. As far as I know, there isnt any hex removal spells that could keep up with a 6 second recharge diversion.

I guess it's Hex Breaker ftw.

Well, get a Mesmer with Expel Hexes

Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 28, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I personally think this skill needs another buff; energy cost lowered to 5 would be my hopes.

twicky_kid · Apr 28, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

I personally think this skill needs another buff; energy cost lowered to 5 would be my hopes.

No way.

It equals out with glyph on energy cost over time. MoR requires less time casting. In fact it requires no time.

Oh another thing I completely missed about Mantra and is worse than the diversion.

BLACKOUT is 6 second recharge.

MoR + shutdown mes ftw

Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 28, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Uhh before we start pointing out broken skills...
Ether Prodigy
Divine Boon
Distortion
Evisricate
Contemplation of Purity
Reversal of Fortune
Tiger's Fury

This would not be game breaking by any means; and I personally think really helps the mesmer's game in pve while furthering the pvp prowless as well. It is a stance; it is expensive to keep us as is. The mesmers do not have a powerful primary attribute spell. In fact; I might go as far as saying their primary is...less than on par with the other professions. Elementalists, monks, rangers, all of them have primarys that are simply game breaking and no one can argue otherwise. The mesmer primary is...less than lacking; 3 somewhat "not so good" elites that see absolutely no hope of play in high level pvp. A hex that lasts so short a duration that people won't even notice it being there, an interrupt that interrupts a spell and gives them energy advantage, and a spell that makes you cast faster-besides some instant cast ressurections, I really don't see the point. An elementalist can do that; and not burn an elite by doing so. What I'm trying to say is that mesmer's lack a definition; and making this a somewhat unbalanced or simply an actual decent skill will help bring out this definition.

Besides, it is a stance
It cannot stack with distortion.

swordfisher · Apr 28, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Blackout is a skill, not a spell- thank your stars. Otherwise, we'd never even play the game, just take turns blacking each other out while warriors auto-attack dps us to death.